Legislative Assembly of Ontario · Committee

Tuesday, August 11, 2026

Standing Committee on the Interior

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Friends of the greenbelt, Dufferin-Caledon; Grand(m)others Act to Save the Planet; Mr. Keith Emiry

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Ms. Victoria Creese

My name is Victoria Creese and I am co-chair of GASP, Grand(m)others Act to Save the Planet, a grassroots climate action and advocacy group with more than 170 members across Ontario. We are committed to creating a sustainable environment for future generations. Thank you for the opportunity to speak today on Bill 109. My remarks will focus specifically on schedule 3, the Farmland Security Act. Farmland is a non-renewable resource that forms the foundation of Ontario’s food security. It supports rural economies, sustains biodiversity and strengthens environmental resilience. As climate change, population growth and global supply chain disruptions place increasing pressure on food production, protecting Ontario’s most productive farmland has never been more important. Every acre of farmland permanently lost today reduces the province’s ability to feed future generations. There is broad agreement that Ontario is losing farmland at an alarming rate. According to figures based on the 2021 census of agriculture, an average of 319 acres is lost every day. That is a staggering number and one that demands meaningful action. We commend the government for recognizing this issue as schedule 3 provides the framework to regulate foreign and other designated persons from speculating on Ontario farmland. However, the proposed legislation does not go far enough. If the objective of Bill 109 is to protect Ontario’s food independence, it should address all major sources of speculative pressure, not only foreign ownership. GASP therefore recommends that both foreign and domestic speculators be explicitly identified as designated persons in the act itself rather than left to future regulation. Doing so would provide greater transparency, permanence and certainty. Much of the farmland being removed from agriculture production is owned by domestic investors and developers who purchase land for speculation rather than farming. The Ontario Farmland Trust has identified domestic speculation as a growing threat to the long-term viability of Ontario’s agricultural sector. Speculative purchasing inflates farmland prices beyond what working farmers can afford, making it increasingly difficult for the next generation of farmers to acquire land. The limitations to schedule 3 become clear when we consider farmland that is already under threat from domestic speculation and development decisions. An example is the proposed Highway 413 corridor and the lands adjacent to it. In anticipation of the highway and the development opportunities it is expected to create, developers have purchased large areas of farmland, all of it class 1 and class 2, with the expectation that it will eventually be rezoned for development. The highway itself is projected to pave over 2,000 acres of prime farmland. This raises an important public policy question: How do we balance the need for transportation infrastructure and housing with the equally essential need to protect prime farmland and ensure long-term food security? Research has consistently shown that Ontario can build the affordable homes it needs within existing urban boundaries through more efficient land use and higher-density development. Protecting farmland and meeting housing needs are not mutually exclusive goals. Similarly, in the case of the 413, multiple transportation experts, including the government’s own analysis, call into question whether the highway will provide meaningful long-term congestion relief. Fortunately, alternatives to Highway 413 exist, such as making greater use of the 407 for truck traffic and investing in public transit. Thus, the permanent loss of Ontario’s best farmland can be avoided. When alternates to development exist, protecting prime agricultural land must take precedence over decisions that would result in its irreversible loss. Bill 109 provides an opportunity to ensure that future decisions better protect Ontario’s farmland, regardless of whether pressures come from foreign ownership, domestic speculation or infrastructure development. The decision to build Highway 413 should be reviewed through the same lens to ensure it aligns with the act’s objectives of safeguarding Ontario’s agricultural land for future generations. It is not too late to change course on this highway, as the design phase has not yet been completed and federal permits have not been granted. GASP respectfully recommends that schedule 3 be amended to include the following additional protections: —introduce stronger protections within the act itself against all speculative pressures, both foreign and domestic; —require a transparent and fully accountable agricultural impact assessment process before any farmland is removed for development or infrastructure projects; and —require an assessment of alternatives to determine whether the proposed project can be delivered in a way that avoids the loss of agricultural land. As a long-term solution, GASP supports the creation of a food belt as proposed in Bill 21, introduced by MPPs Mike Schreiner and Bobbi Ann Brady. Ontario’s farmland is not just land—it is our food, our resilience against climate change, our legacy for upcoming generations. Once it is paved over, it is gone forever.

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Ms. Victoria Creese

Thank you. The decisions we make today will shape whether our children and grandchildren inherit fertile farmland that can feed them, or whether they inherit the irreversible consequences of choices that put short-term development ahead of long-term food security. Thank you for your time and consideration.

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The Acting Chair (Mr. Steve Pinsonneault)

Thank you for that. Keith Emiry is virtual and he’s having technical issues, so we will go back to him. Keith, you’re good to go?

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The Acting Chair (Mr. Steve Pinsonneault)

You have seven minutes to do your introduction.

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The Acting Chair (Mr. Steve Pinsonneault)

Please state your name for Hansard.

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Mr. Keith Emiry

Yes. It’s nice to be on. Thank you. I don’t know—who is chairing today?

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Mr. Keith Emiry

I hope the audio is okay. It seems a little bit scratchy on my end. I’ll keep going unless I get interrupted. First, appreciation to the government for bringing this legislation forward and the standing committee here today, and especially staff. Thank goodness for Yana getting me on here because I think I’m a little technologically challenged some days, but I think we’ve got a good connection. I’m a dairy farmer from the Massey area—

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The Acting Chair (Mr. Steve Pinsonneault)

Could you state your name for the record?

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Mr. Keith Emiry

I’m a dairy farmer. I live in the area of Massey, which puts me in the Algoma–Manitoulin riding. I don’t intend to necessarily use my whole allotment here right now. Hopefully that makes a few minutes available to others in the committee, if that’s valuable to you, but I’ll go through what I have and I think people will find I’m a little bit—

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Mr. Keith Emiry

My comments here today are not meant to be in any way an admonishment of past difficulties or failings in government legislation or the service work that the Ontario service does, but rather I’m intending to pose some helpful questions and ensure that we have better relations and better processes coming forward and hopefully we’re aiming toward a more efficient public service for Ontarians and northern Ontario businesses specifically. Today, I really wanted to focus on—

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Mr. Keith Emiry

—really doesn’t address that in a very sufficient way and I think some time ago—

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The Acting Chair (Mr. Steve Pinsonneault)

Can you mute your phone? It keeps beeping when you’ve got a call coming in.

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Mr. Keith Emiry

I’ll try and do that. Yes, sorry about that. I’m assuming it’s really breaking up my commentary. I apologize about that. Hopefully we don’t have that—I’ve got it muted right now.

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The Acting Chair (Mr. Steve Pinsonneault)

It’s actually coming in quite clear at this end.

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Mr. Keith Emiry

I think that there was a time in this province, and it’s long since passed, when Ontario businesses were growing, especially in the farming sector. Our provincial government really saw the need for efficiency in this department of being helpful and really growing Ontario businesses, particularly in the farm sector. That push really helped effectively grow Ontario agriculture at that time and really the establishment of the industry happened in that period, and we grew enormously, this past year, in our food processing and production systems. We also established a whole network of efficient and viable services in rural communities and ensured farmers could create financially viable businesses and generational businesses. That was a huge benefit to the province and really to all of the country at the time, and still is now, because we created a whole economy based on agriculture that was well situated both geographically and within the whole industrial complex to really support what our society is today. So after opening farmland access across Ontario, essentially, our public service has really built this muscle memory of how to do that around the use of crown lands and their use for agriculture. But I think, in recent generations, it seems to me that this was a vital public service that started to become more regionalized; it’s become divided in focus between various ministries; it was more poorly administered because it didn’t have as much business to do over the years and eventually it simply became largely forgotten. I think Ontario’s northern farmers now once again need our government to focus on making this process efficient. We need a centralized northern office for crown land issues and access, especially and particularly for our agriculture and making expeditious use of land clearing grants, again through NOHFC or other funding sources. It really needs to happen once again, creating supportive programs to ensure efficient, environmentally responsible expansion of farmland here in the north. Using long-term leases or lease-to-purchase arrangements will and can create an investment environment that helps Ontario’s farmers move forward, growing the capacity of our province and our most promising area of the economy, which really is agriculture. We have the resources that we need to do the job, we just need to make sure that we’re using them most efficiently. My questions for the committee today are: Does this, or does existing legislation or will future legislation—

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Mr. Keith Emiry

—help preserve a more nimble approach to growth in Ontario farmland that’s going to support the expansion of farm business in our province? Will foreign ownership rules help focus investment in primary farming and farm business services where needed? And will this legislation continue to support new farmers and new farm businesses as a most vital component of growing Ontario agriculture? It’s simply to say that it’s time once again to build the capacity of Ontario’s public service to do this job and be effective in growing and supporting Ontario’s economy. Ontario’s farmers, new farmers and rural businesses are keen for this challenge. I thank the standing committee for their attention and helping to meet these challenges with effective legislation.

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The Acting Chair (Mr. Steve Pinsonneault)

Thank you. We’ll move to the round of questioning, starting with the government. MPP Cuzzetto.

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Mr. Rudy Cuzzetto

I want to thank all the presenters for being here, and the ones that are online as well. My question is for Keith. Before we start, Keith, I’d like to know how long you’ve been a dairy farmer for.

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Mr. Keith Emiry

What age are you allowed to call yourself a dairy farmer? I was born on the farm and grew up here.

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Mr. Keith Emiry

I took a few years off, let’s say. After university, I started my family in Guelph. I was working for the Ontario Federation of Agriculture at that time and what was at that time the Ontario Cattlemen’s Association, now Beef Farmers of Ontario, and the Ontario Veal Association. So not counting those years of direct involvement, give or take, I’ve been about 35 of my 50 years milking cows and flipping bales and all of that great stuff.

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Mr. Rudy Cuzzetto

Thank you for that. I just wanted to ask you a question on Bill 109 about the Farmland Security Act to help keep Ontario farmland in the hands of Canadian farming families. What would that kind of protection mean for multigenerational families like yours, operating for many generations in Ontario?

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Mr. Keith Emiry

Yes, it’s a good question. In my area, it had been very much a closed community here for my whole youth, because at that time, farming in the north was contracting in some places. We simply just didn’t have a base of services where small farms could continue efficiently. A lot of those fellas had grown up on the farm and still own the farm, but they had gone to working in other industries, mostly forestry and mining, and then, obviously, any number of other service industries in the local area—but very few in agriculture and very few in agricultural service. I think at that time, we would have welcomed lots of outside interest and outside investment to kind of keep that capacity here in the local community. Now, Mennonite folks, mostly from the Mount Forest and Linwood areas, started buying local farms in 2008, and since that time we’ve seen a huge resurgence in our local community in capacity, in services—in competition for farmland, yes, but also just a rebuilding of the rural community here. I think that foreign investment could be the same thing, but it needs to look like investment in local communities. I was thinking about this point this morning vis-à-vis large, corporate farms that have come in recent years and purchased lots of farmland. That has seen a driving-up of farmland price, which is to be expected, and some significant investment, but ultimate failures because they were part of integrated systems that weren’t well planned out. I’m thinking of some beef production farms that were aiming towards specialized or particular markets. They were part of a system that was to specifically go on labelled products, and it was all integrated based on the fact that they were going to get a hugely higher price from the end-user. For whatever reasons, those systems didn’t transpire properly, and those businesses ended up folding and being sold off again. Those types of situations are expected, I think, in business in all sectors. But the fact is that I think any businesses are going to be more successful when they’re community focused and their true investment is in the community and staying in the community. We’ve all got to make money, but when your singular focus is, “We’re going to make a huge amount of money at the end of the day,” eventually something else is going to get in the way of that if you’re not already invested in the community and staying in the community.

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Mr. Rudy Cuzzetto

I just want to ask another question as well, Keith. How do you get your milk out of the farm? Is it by transport truck? And how do you get products into your farm?

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Mr. Keith Emiry

The local producers here own a milk transport company. We’re only a small number; I think nine, now. But we own our own truck, so we negotiate that directly with DFO as to what that transport contract looks like. A lot of inputs are trucked into the local area, but I think that we’re just on the cusp of seeing that change.

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Mr. Keith Emiry

One of two major local companies that transport has built elevators—what I would refer to as locally; they’re over 100 kilometres away from me here, but we’re on the path. They’re on Highway 17, so that creates some efficiency and certainly is going to benefit us in the long run.

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Mr. Rudy Cuzzetto

And how many trucks do you have coming in and out of your farm on a daily basis?

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Mr. Keith Emiry

The milk truck, of course, is every second day. I’d say, on average, there’s probably one or two trucks a week that are here for one reason or another.

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The Acting Chair (Mr. Steve Pinsonneault)

We’re going to move to the official opposition. MPP Vanthof.

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Mr. John Vanthof

Thank you to the presenters for coming. I’m going to focus my first couple of questions both to the Friends of the greenbelt and to GASP. I’d like to thank you both, particularly Friends of the greenbelt, for your work in defending the greenbelt—it’s been quite an issue over the last few years with the province—and for your comments regarding the 413. I’d just like to ask your opinion on something. The federal government is proposing high-speed rail through eastern Ontario, and 11 MPPs from the government side, including a couple of ministers, have written that there hasn’t been a good enough consultation process regarding farms and farmland in that project. I think they understand—and you know what? I agree. But do you think there has been a good enough consultation process and a voice for agriculture in the province’s construction plans regarding the 413 or other big industrial uses?

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Ms. Sharon Sommerville

Thank you for that question. I would say that, overall, the consultation process has been quite weak, both for farmers and other community members. So I would say that this project is not well founded in terms of what it’s intended to do. It is not actually a very significant addition to the road infrastructure in Ontario. It is pretty much designed to open that land up to development, because we know that there are a lot of large, speculative landowners along that corridor. And, because of that influence, there has been very little real, public consultation on the 413—farmers included.

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Mr. John Vanthof

We are in favour of Bill 109, as far as it goes. But in your presentations, you both mentioned, I believe, that speculative investment, whether it comes from foreign or domestic—that is an issue. Foreign investment—and I think we’re all thinking a foreign actor, like China. But speculation in investment—does it really make a difference? Do we need stronger legislation in this province to actually protect farmland from speculation of any type? And I give that to both of you.

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Ms. Victoria Creese

Sure, I’ll go first. Yes, we do need to put some controls on domestic speculation, because we know it drives up prices so that young farmers can’t buy into farmland. That’s a big problem. We have an aging farming population, so we need to have our young farmers be able to come in to do what they want to do—to farm. The Ontario Farmland Trust has done some studies to figure out how much land is from foreign investors, and they estimate it’s around 3%. It’s really, really low. But we do know that there are domestic speculators, because I live in the GTA, and there has been lots of information about developers who have bought land along the 413 and throughout the greenbelt. We need to have both: stronger domestic and foreign—and I think it needs to be not in regulations, but within the bill itself.

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Ms. Sharon Sommerville

I would add to that. I think we’re looking at two different kinds of foreign ownership here. One is ownership of farms themselves, for the purpose of farming, as Mr. Emiry talked about. But what we’re talking about is ownership of land, either domestic or foreign, for urbanization. That loss of farmland to urbanization is really jeopardizing Ontario’s food security and opportunities to farm, obviously. We really need to address the land speculation for the purpose of urbanization, which Bill 109 does not touch at all. That is one of its deficiencies.

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Mr. John Vanthof

Regarding a provincial food bill: The official opposition, we’ve proposed an actual agricultural assessment process with teeth, that when a piece of agriculture land is transferred or applied to be transferred, the first question in a two-stage process is—

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Mr. John Vanthof

—“Is there a better use for this land than producing food?” And if there is—so, a meat processing plant in this area, or a vegetable processing plant in Holland Marsh would be an obvious yes, and a subdivision, not so much. Would you agree with that?

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The Acting Chair (Mr. Steve Pinsonneault)

We will now move to the third party: MPP Cerjanec.

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Mr. Rob Cerjanec

Through you, Chair, thank you all for your presentations today. Sharon, I just wanted to ask. As you likely know, there was supposed to be a 10-year review of the greenbelt.

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Mr. Rob Cerjanec

And that I don’t believe has started yet. I’m curious if you know if they’ve started that review or not yet. Have they engaged with you, and what would be your thoughts around that?

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Mr. Rob Cerjanec

In terms of that timeline, I think we’ve seen the government change a couple of things around, even the committee and the folks that are involved with it. So I’m wondering, if and when that 10-year review does take place, what your thoughts are and what you might want to say around that.

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Ms. Sharon Sommerville

Thank you for the question. I’ll be quite honest here: We’re quite happy to let sleeping dogs lie. We are concerned that if the review goes forward the government’s intention will be to undermine the protections of the greenbelt and that it may jeopardize the current protection that is in place.

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Mr. Rob Cerjanec

Just around farmland, Sharon—I may as well stay with you—what else do you think the government could do to protect farmland and support the next generation of farmers?

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Ms. Sharon Sommerville

I really wish I had a deeper policy answer for you on that. I don’t, but I do think that it’s also about the direction and intention of the government. We’re quite clear: We can see that this government’s singular policy intention is to build houses at all cost—and that cost is Ontario farmland. Just looking at Ontario farmland as a future subdivision does not help this province and future generations have opportunities to actually farm and provide food security for Ontarians. That’s a very serious issue, is the direction of this government. I don’t think it’s that hard to look at other urban and suburban redevelopment. We know that there is enough land within the current urban boundaries to supply all the housing that we need. Unfortunately, this government does not look at it that way. We know that one of Doug Ford’s favourite comments is, “Who cares about a grasshopper?” Well, it turns out that we do need to care about our open land and about our farmland and our green spaces, because they are really quite critical to cleaning our air, preventing flooding and ensuring that we have food security.

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Mr. Rob Cerjanec

I just want to pick up on the topic of food security. As we think about our trade dispute with the United States right now, if we think about what’s going on across the world, in many different parts of the world, access to food, access to water is incredibly important. I would even say it’s a national security issue in some ways, because if we don’t have access to food made here, if we don’t have that production taking place here as well, I would argue that we’re weaker on the world stage. So your position is, “Let’s keep things where they are; let’s focus on sustainable urban development.” How do we deal with, I guess, some of the transportation and gridlock challenges that we have in the GTA? I’ll admit, coming here today from closer to Toronto wasn’t too bad, because I was going against traffic, but what do you think the government can be doing or should be doing around helping us move around the GTA quicker?

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Ms. Sharon Sommerville

Again, thanks for the question. We know that we have to move people, and we know that we have to move more people every year. But if the government was to take the substantial investment that they’re looking at for the 413 and invest that in faster, more reliable public transit, there’s no question that we’d be able to move many more people with the same amount of money. A recent report by Transport Action Ontario and Environmental Defence indicated that that same amount of money applied to enhanced public interurban transit would move two and a half times as many people as the 413 will. And I think that’s a pretty substantial number of people, and moving in much greater areas than the very limited 52 kilometres that is the 413.

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Mr. Rob Cerjanec

Victoria, why don’t you pick up on both of the two questions that I had just asked in terms of what you think the government could do more to protect farmland and support the next generation of farmers, but as well, what do you think should be done around reducing gridlock and helping people get around quicker and faster in the GTA?

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Ms. Victoria Creese

I agree with what Sharon said: The 413 is estimated to cost around $15 billion, and the money could be better spent with more people moving if we invested in public transit.

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Ms. Victoria Creese

Farmland is important also because we are facing water capacity problems in Waterloo, in Guelph, in Brantford, all because we have been building on land that needs to be recharged. Those are our cities that get their water from the ground, and we can’t keep paving over our land. We need to recharge areas so that those communities have safe water in the future.

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The Acting Chair (Mr. Steve Pinsonneault)

Thank you. That concludes the first round of questioning. We’ll move on to the second round, moving over to the government. MPP Vickers.

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MPP Paul Vickers

Thank you to the presenters today for expressing their opinions and bringing more information to the committee. The one thing, Sharon, that you started out with is—you talked about aggregate extraction. We struggled with this when I sat on the OFA board because farmers are some of the biggest users of aggregate. If we don’t allow aggregate pits to be developed, where will we get our aggregate? I’m not trying to be too cheeky with this comment, but do you have a paved laneway?

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MPP Paul Vickers

Many people do have paved laneways. When I’m building up my laneway and filling in the potholes every year, I think, “Jeez, it’s pretty easy to say we don’t need aggregate extraction when you already have your house built and your lanes paved.” So I just wonder, what do you propose that we do? If I’m reading it right, if you’re somewhat against aggregate extraction, how am I supposed to build a driving shed? The last driving shed I built, we probably used about 1,000 tonnes of aggregate.

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MPP Paul Vickers

We had a lot of equipment, and the barn we wanted to build was even going to take more. Again, just trying to figure out—where do we get this aggregate if we don’t have the pits?

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Ms. Sharon Sommerville

I think that’s a really important educational question, Paul, and I really appreciate it. And your question wasn’t too cheeky either. We know that Ontario has current aggregate reserves and gravel reserves in existing quarry pits to last for 38 to 40 years, so there’s enough licensing out there right now today. We don’t need additional quarries, and I think that is the point. When you’re talking about agriculture in Dufferin and Caledon, there are two main issues: One is quarries, and the other is urbanization. We know that, for example, the CBM quarry down in Caledon and Halton is going to take out 400 acres of prime class 1 agriculture. We know that we have reserves that will last 38 to 40 years. There’s absolutely no reason for that quarry. I know some people say, “Well, you know, those reserves are really far away from where we need them.” Oh, that’s just not the case; there are 38 years of reserves in the Golden Horseshoe.

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MPP Bill Rosenberg

Thank you all for presenting here today. My question is for Keith. Good morning, Keith. Almost every day, as we watch our news, we see supply management being talked about as a bargaining chip in our tariff wars. We know as we move further north, there are more challenges. As a Holstein dairy operation, how important is regulatory clarity and consistency for day-to-day realities of running a family farm like your own?

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Mr. Keith Emiry

Hi, Bill. I apologize. I had a bit of noise here in the background, so just rephrase your question again or re-ask your question.

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MPP Bill Rosenberg

Almost every day, we watch the news and we see supply management being talked about as a bargaining chip for the tariff wars. We know as we move further north, there are more challenges for dairy farms like yourself. As a dairy operation, how important is the regulatory clarity and consistency for day-to-day realities of running your dairy farm?

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Mr. Keith Emiry

Yes, fair question. Obviously, we’re one of the most highly regulated industries in agriculture, if not all over everything, and that’s understandable. It’s a highly perishable product. Let’s speak primarily to supply management, because that is really key for us. I recognize that that really looks like a federal issue in most ways, but the provincial legislation is very important, because when it comes to those contaminant issues and the actual oversight business, those are very much provincial responsibilities and we do need strong legislation on that. There’s no two ways about it. I think for us, the challenges that that poses—yes, the more we know and can appreciate the strength of regulation and understand what rules we’re playing by—having strengthened regulation is really important for us, so that we can have ourselves best prepared to make sure that we’re providing that highest-quality product. I guess in terms of ourselves as a business—and we’re in that fortunate happenstance to own our own milk truck, along with our neighbours—that strength through the system becomes really obvious.

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Mr. Keith Emiry

What we need more than anybody else is how that transfers from farm to product to processor, and then all of us in the whole system are understanding them and playing by those same rules, so to speak. I hope that answers your question and was what you were looking for.

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MPP Bill Rosenberg

Yes, thanks, Keith. And thanks for taking the time off this morning; I’m sure your wife is looking for you to do something out on the farm.

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The Acting Chair (Mr. Steve Pinsonneault)

Okay, 28 seconds left. MPP Racinsky.

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Mr. Joseph Racinsky

Just very quickly, Keith: I believe you’re a farmer in the Sudbury district, and the Clay Belt is an important part of this legislation. We’re trying to have one window into developing the Clay Belt, similar to Quebec, as they’re much further along. Are there any thoughts you have in closing on the Clay Belt?

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Mr. Keith Emiry

You know, the rest of northern Ontario farming, we’re kind of all—

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The Acting Chair (Mr. Steve Pinsonneault)

That concludes the government’s questioning. We will now move to the official opposition. MPP Vanthof.

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Mr. John Vanthof

My second round will once again go to the Friends of the greenbelt and GASP. I think a common misconception of people who oppose a certain project or a certain activity is that they’re opposed to everything. What I’ve heard very clearly in your presentations is you’re not opposed to development and you’re not opposed to new housing. You want it done responsibly. We have the research—we have the brainpower, for lack of a better word—to do things responsibly. One of the suggestions that was put forward in another area is there are places in urban areas that are brownfields that could be redeveloped, and perhaps the government would be in some ways better off looking at those areas that could be redeveloped, as opposed to farmland. I get it; I’m a farmer. It’s easier to build that farmland, but is it the responsible thing to do? To both of you.

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